WiP+Chat+-+Jerry+&+Joanne,+Wednesday,+June+11th,+2008

11:07 budtheteacher : Hello, everyone 11:07 budtheteacher : We'll begin shortly. 11:07 mrsdurff-1 : brb 11:09 budtheteacher : Continuing our conversations 11:13 budtheteacher : f 11:13 budtheteacher : e 11:14 budtheteacher : Welcome to Jerry's presentation. 11:14 budtheteacher : Interesting - collegial conversation leads to change. 11:15 budtheteacher : Link to Jerry's wiki page: 11:15 budtheteacher : http://cybercamp.wikispaces.com/Digital+Photography 11:19 budtheteacher : JErry's course page: http://classes.stvrain.k12.co.us/course/view.php?id=122 11:19 budtheteacher : Private message me for the enrolment key - don't want to post it in the chat. 11:19 budtheteacher : Jerry's voicethread link: http://voicethread.com/#q.b154746 11:21 budtheteacher : Link to a podcast about workingwith VoiceThread. 11:21 budtheteacher : http://teachersteachingteachers.org/?p=171 11:22 budtheteacher : Hi, Phil! 11:22 pgoerner : Morning all! 11:22 budtheteacher : (And, hi, Matthew - don't think I greeted you earlier!) 11:22 pgoerner : Thanks for the teacher/teachers link- I can use this Friday! 11:22 budtheteacher : Excellent. 11:22 pgoerner : Matthew- are you feeling better these days? 11:22 budtheteacher : Jerry's very good at modeling his process. 11:24 budtheteacher : The good news is that the Virtual Campus (our Moodle) handleds embed codes very well. 11:24 budtheteacher : We'll get that fixed - don't want anything in Jerry's way. 11:25 pgoerner : Yeah, no kidding. Jerry keeps me hopping! 11:25 pgoerner : I have! 11:25 mwoolums : i'm on the mend, thanks 11:26 budtheteacher : "The community you involve yourselves with affects the quality of your work." 11:26 budtheteacher : That's a keeper that I've already butchered. 11:26 pgoerner : Bud- good quote for helping to dev a PL network huh 11:27 budtheteacher : Yep. 11:27 budtheteacher : Switching to Jerry's Moodle - just a moment. 11:30 budtheteacher : That's an important shift - using the web but not ABOUT the web. 11:31 budtheteacher : Jerry's discussing this link: 11:31 budtheteacher : http://www.luminous-landscape.com/columns/eye-camera.shtml 11:33 metaweb : oops needs a microphone ... 11:33 mrsdurff-1 : or headset 11:33 budtheteacher : Whats wrong? 11:33 metaweb : I have one .. can't hear well 11:34 budtheteacher : Is that better? 11:34 metaweb : better 11:34 pgoerner : better sound yes 11:34 budtheteacher : Sorry - had the wrong microphone selected. 11:34 pgoerner : Lots of cheering for wikis in moodle huh? 11:34 metaweb : thanks 11:35 budtheteacher : Everyone rejoices about the wikis. 11:35 mrsdurff-1 : virtual campus? 11:36 budtheteacher : That's what we call our installation of Moodle. 11:36 mrsdurff-1 : did i miss the url? 11:36 mrsdurff-1 : ah! 11:36 pgoerner : bud has us locked out! :) 11:36 mrsdurff-1 : i lke it 11:36 mrsdurff-1 : and he should 11:36 pgoerner : hee hee 11:36 mrsdurff-1 : punks like me might come along 11:37 budtheteacher : I can show you again. 11:37 mrsdurff-1 : i've seen moodle 11:37 pgoerner : Bud: tweet or email me the access code when you get a chance 11:38 budtheteacher : @phil - done. 11:39 pgoerner : thanks 11:42 pgoerner : Hey- he has done some neat things with this- I'll have to take a look later. 11:42 budtheteacher : yeah - looks cool 11:42 pgoerner : Thanks Bud for another good day! Gotta run! 11:44 budtheteacher : Take care, Phil. 11:44 budtheteacher : Next up - Joanne will discuss her thinking around building a new website for her high school 11:44 mrsdurff-1 : don't tell her that bud 11:45 budtheteacher : don't tell her what, Durff? 11:45 mrsdurff-1 : that she is making faces at the entire world 11:45 mrsdurff-1 : it's funny 11:46 budtheteacher : But it's true. How wonderful a world we live in when we can make a face at the whole world. 11:46 budtheteacher : Joanne is the teacher-librarian at her high school. 11:46 mrsdurff-1 : true 11:46 budtheteacher : This is the wiki link she's referencing. 11:46 budtheteacher : http://cybercamp.wikispaces.com/Dreamweaver+Galore 11:48 budtheteacher : What design resources do you use? 11:49 mrsdurff-1 : ahen - none i guess 11:49 mrsdurff-1 : ahem 11:49 budtheteacher : Joannes website: 11:50 budtheteacher : http://lhs.stvrain.k12.co.us 11:50 metaweb : CSS for text and layout, to keep page light and fresh looking .. move aways from clunky tables and images 11:51 budtheteacher : @metaweb: When you have a CSS question, where do you turn to? 11:51 budtheteacher : http://www.fcps.edu/LangleyHS 11:51 metaweb : a variety of online resources like w3schools 11:51 shareski : We use Joomla for all school websites 11:51 budtheteacher : Curtis is our district webmaster. 11:51 budtheteacher : Hi, Dean. 11:52 shareski : Dropped Dreamweaver 11:52 budtheteacher : We're not yet ready for that - althoughour district webmaster is working on a content management option. 11:52 metaweb : for example a site like A List Apart is a CSS-designed site, http://alistapart.com 11:52 shareski : This is our tutorial site for school webmasters http://www.prairiesouth.ca/main/ 11:53 budtheteacher : How was that decision made, Dean? 11:53 budtheteacher : Background/context? 11:53 budtheteacher : Looking at : 11:53 shareski : We were asked as a new school district to help schools scrap their websites 11:53 budtheteacher : http://shs.stvrain.k12.co.us/imc 11:54 shareski : and be more consistent/professional 11:54 budtheteacher : When you merged into a big district, Dean? 11:54 budtheteacher : is that right? 11:54 shareski : Yes 11:54 shareski : The sites were all ove rthe map in terms of content and look 11:54 budtheteacher : a good opportunity for change. 11:54 shareski : Here's a new example http://www.prairiesouth.ca/peacock/ 11:54 shareski : All schools have a similar template 11:54 budtheteacher : http://www.cornell.edu 11:54 shareski : Lots of ability to customize colors and modules 11:55 budtheteacher : Yeah - CMSis a great option - consistency paired with options. 11:55 shareski : Majority of our 35 schools are updated daily 11:55 shareski : Also, we encourage mulitple users....easy to add content without any html knowledge 11:56 shareski : Many schools have a number of contributors 11:56 metaweb : uisng CSS for layout is better for usability and accessibility issues ... content in old HTML tables is messy for text-to-speech readers and indexing programs... dreamweaver does incorporate good CSS 11:56 codytalks : She is crazy to think of dreamweaver 11:56 codytalks : cms has to be employed 11:56 jeffmason : our district says all teachers will have the ability to have a web page on the district server this ear. Not sure how this will be implemented. 11:57 codytalks : cms makes teacher webpages verey easy 11:57 budtheteacher : @codytalks: Distrct policy at present requires her to use it. //{NOTE: 6/12/08, 7:52am I, Bud, was incorrect when I said this. District policy does NOT require the use of Dreamweaver - but the district does provide a copy of Dreamweaver to each school in order to help them build their websites. I apologize for the error.} // 11:57 budtheteacher : http://lhswebsite.edublogs.org 11:57 shareski : We also offer webspace but I discouage building from scratch...I direct them to edublog or blogger or wordpress 11:57 codytalks : district policy requires dreamweaver?? 11:57 shareski : Haven't instructed in DW for about 2 years 11:57 budtheteacher : at present, yes. 11:57 budtheteacher : I never have. And don't plan to. 11:57 metaweb : My edublogs site is beautiful, he he he http://franksblog.edublogs.org/ 11:57 codytalks : Recommending from scratch here 11:58 codytalks : php or cfm custom sites ae were our district clients have best success 11:58 shareski : @codytalks, what about usability? How many users are proficient with those tools? 11:58 mrsdurff-1 : i think you all are far ahead of most schools - i work in one of those most schools 11:58 budtheteacher : I wonder that, too, Dean. 11:59 codytalks : no need for proficinecy 11:59 budtheteacher : Nice plug, frank - well done. 11:59 codytalks : admin panels are custom built as well 11:59 metaweb : dreamweaver has a learning curve ... edublogs more user-friendly 11:59 budtheteacher : feel free, everybody, to plug your blogs. 11:59 codytalks : to suitspecific nedds 11:59 shareski : @codytalks, so you have a custom GUI for adding content? 11:59 codytalks : true template based cms are to restrictive 11:59 codytalks : for the districts we work with 11:59 metaweb : thanks bud - glad to help give a ref. :) 11:59 mrsdurff-1 : it's not about plugging - it's about PD 12:00 codytalks : if need be 12:00 codytalks : @sharreski 12:00 budtheteacher : What would YOu like to see on a school website? 12:00 shareski : @codytalks, that's true. We actually customized our district site but didn't have the man power for school sites, thus we opted for templates but I see your point 12:00 codytalks : sorry fat fingers 12:01 shareski : @bud home page should feature up to date student work 12:01 shareski : Showcase kids 12:01 mikel18 : Hi all 12:01 mrsdurff-1 : hi 12:01 shareski : Put announcements on a separate page. Feature students, that's how you make it sticky 12:01 metaweb : yes .. the page should not look adminy ..and should look studenty 12:02 budtheteacher : Favorite school website links? 12:02 budtheteacher : Good examples? 12:02 shareski : Here's one http://www.prairiesouth.ca/palliser/ Their menu is a bit out of hand but this is done by kids 12:02 shareski : Kids are posting the work 12:02 codytalks : design is subjective 12:03 shareski : @codytalks...to a point but there are guidelines and principles of design 12:04 shareski : http://www.prairiesouth.ca/kinggeorge/ 12:04 codytalks : but to use kids or not and to use kids work or not is subjective 12:05 shareski : yes 12:05 shareski : If you're using Dreamweaver, will you also use Contribute in order to allow many to add content? 12:06 mrsdurff-1 : this is mr. green screen himself 12:06 budtheteacher : Good question. 12:07 metaweb : Actually, I no longer like the concept of "sticky" .. make it collaborative, connecting with other students around the world .. knock the stickiness done along with the walls 12:07 metaweb : down, i mean 12:07 shareski : My experience with school websites and Dreamweaver is that one person is the webmaster and that's it. When they leave or gets busy the school website suffers. Multiple contributors is essential 12:07 metaweb : good point dean 12:08 metaweb : dreamweaver like I said, has a huge learning curve .. it is for technical types 12:08 shareski : @metaweb I wonder if that concept is entirely fitting for a school website? I realize that sticky isn't used anymore but the school website is less about collaboration but more for promotion 12:09 mrsdurff-1 : our principal doesn't see that dean - we use some commercial thing for christian schools - really poor service 12:09 mmiller7571 : I like a uniform school website where parents don't have to relearn a teachers website format every year 12:09 metaweb : i think it should connect ... like a flat classroom thing 12:09 mrsdurff-1 : it took three years to get the media center link on the school's page 12:10 mmiller7571 : I am supportive of creativity but if your point is parent comm. make it easy for them 12:11 mrsdurff-1 : Joanne is doing a wonderful job 12:11 metaweb : clap clap clap 12:11 mrsdurff-1 : despite bud's pressure 12:12 mrsdurff-1 : ttyl 12:12 budtheteacher : Thanks, room 12:12 metaweb : bod looks thinner than his online persona ... 12:12 metaweb : bud 12:12 metaweb : bud's bod, ha ha ha 12:12 budtheteacher : I havn't been on camera. 12:12 budtheteacher : so - you never know. 12:13 budtheteacher : Thanks so much for everything, y'all. Such great suggestions and links and things to think about. 12:14 tengrrl : heya! 12:14 budtheteacher : Hi, Traci 12:15 tengrrl : Thanks Bud. I was watching but didn't think to make the chat load 12:15 tengrrl : silly me 12:15 budtheteacher : noticed you in the Elluminate session, too - thanks for joining us today. 12:15 tengrrl : good stuff you're doing 12:15 budtheteacher : Glad you made it - anything to add - I'm about to archive the chat for the participants. 12:15 budtheteacher : Thanks - kind of you to say. 12:15 tengrrl : archive away 12:16 tengrrl : oh, i do have a question. will there be any other sessions streamed? 12:17 budtheteacher : Yes - one more tomorrow. The last presentation. 12:17 budtheteacher : 11am-ish MST. 12:18 tengrrl : excellent! 12:18 budtheteacher : See you then, then? 12:18 budtheteacher : Are things coming through ok? 12:18 budtheteacher : audio and videio wise? 12:18 tengrrl : I'll block it into my calendar 12:19 tengrrl : sometimes a bit hard to hear the with background noise, but about what I see as the norm for such things 12:19 tengrrl : video is great. no problems there. 12:19 budtheteacher : okay - thanks. 12:19 budtheteacher : lots of background noise in here, unfortunately. 12:20 tengrrl : eager teachers talk lots. that's a good thing. 12:21 budtheteacher : OH, I'm not complaning. Excitement's contagious. I'm so grateful that so many fine folks have stopped by and offered feedback. 12:21 tengrrl : I wish I had noticed it was going on before today. A bit slow I am. 12:22 budtheteacher : Not a problem - everything's archived - please visit the blog and check out the history. http://cybercamp.edublogs.org 12:22 budtheteacher : Got to run - thanks! Talk again soon, I hope. 12:22 tengrrl : take care!